Does Armor Penetration Stack? - Guild Wars Forums

Stoic · May 31, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

I searched and looked for an answer and did not find one.

I'm interested to know if the armor penetation from the Strength skill stacks with that of Judge's Insight.

Or would Judge's Insight overide the penetration Strength gives?

Does anyone have insight on this?

Aaaaagh · Jun 01, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04

Good question. I dont know. If I had to guess, I would say yes. It shouldnt be too hard to test it though, crank down your strength attribute then fight some mobs. Crank up your strength and fight the same mobs, compare damage.

Post back, Im interested.

azunder · Jun 01, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Another thing to look out for is how it stacks.
Does the 20% of Judges add to the strength bonus, or is it applied before/after the strength bonus?

ShadowStorm · Jul 01, 2005, 09:20 AM // 09:20

On another note... does the Armor Penetration from a sundering weapon stack with Armor Penetration from skills?

And if I use 2 different skills that provide Armor Penetration(such as Penetrating Shot and Judges Insight) do they stack?

Someone must know the answers to these questions!

Enigmatics · Jul 01, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31

It stacks, just not as simply as we would hope. I'm not sure exactly how, but I've used judge's insight with penetrating blow and I think I've noticed a difference.

Jasso · Jul 01, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

As you can clearly read from the description of the skill

Judge's Insight - Enchantment Spell
For 8-18 seconds, target ally's attacks deal Holy damage and have +20% armor penetration.

So, imo it do stack with other AP bonuses.

MSecorsky · Jul 01, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

So how exactly does penetration calculate into added damage?

Enigmatics · Jul 01, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Thought it was 25% armor penetration.

GranDeWun · Jul 01, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29

The problem is how it stacks - does it work like
1) Add all pen %, then apply to armor, or
2) Apply each pen % in sequence (which order wouldn't matter)

Chances are it's (2). (1) would allow some awesome damage.

JoDiamonds · Jul 01, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

The general way that armor penatration works is by reducing enemy armor.

If you have 20% armor penatration against an enemy with 100 armor, your attack treats it as if the enemy as -20 armor, 80.

Sundering weapons are really hard to calculate, because they don't always fire off.

I'm actually guessing that all armor penatration is summed up and done in one fell swoop, because that would be easier to program

Jul 01, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18

There are two types of Armor Penetration: Base AP and Added AP.

Base AP just lists the AP, Added AP is the +AP% ones you see.

Base AP+Base AP doesnt work:the higher bonus overrides the lower. So an AP of lets say 10% from Strength would get cancelled out by Penetrating Blow's 20% AP.

Added AP+Added AP stacks, and Added AP+Base AP stacks: in a nuthsell any skill that says +AP% like Judge's Insight will tack on to anything else. So Penetrating Blow+Judge's Insight stacks along with any other +AP% skill. For any other base AP the first rule is applied.

May 31, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54	#1
Stoic Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Mar 2005	Does Armor Penetration Stack? I searched and looked for an answer and did not find one. I'm interested to know if the armor penetation from the Strength skill stacks with that of Judge's Insight. Or would Judge's Insight overide the penetration Strength gives? Does anyone have insight on this?

Jun 01, 2005, 12:04 AM // 00:04	#2
Aaaaagh Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	Good question. I dont know. If I had to guess, I would say yes. It shouldnt be too hard to test it though, crank down your strength attribute then fight some mobs. Crank up your strength and fight the same mobs, compare damage. Post back, Im interested.

Jun 01, 2005, 12:28 AM // 00:28	#3
azunder Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005	Another thing to look out for is how it stacks. Does the 20% of Judges add to the strength bonus, or is it applied before/after the strength bonus?

Jul 01, 2005, 09:20 AM // 09:20	#4
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	On another note... does the Armor Penetration from a sundering weapon stack with Armor Penetration from skills? And if I use 2 different skills that provide Armor Penetration(such as Penetrating Shot and Judges Insight) do they stack? Someone must know the answers to these questions!

Jul 01, 2005, 02:31 PM // 14:31	#5
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	It stacks, just not as simply as we would hope. I'm not sure exactly how, but I've used judge's insight with penetrating blow and I think I've noticed a difference.

Jul 01, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48	#6
Jasso Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Profession: N/Mo	As you can clearly read from the description of the skill Judge's Insight - Enchantment Spell For 8-18 seconds, target ally's attacks deal Holy damage and have +20% armor penetration. So, imo it do stack with other AP bonuses.

Jul 01, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57	#7
MSecorsky Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: So Cal Guild: The Sinister Vanguard Profession: Me/	So how exactly does penetration calculate into added damage?

Jul 01, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10	#8
Enigmatics Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tenafly, NJ Guild: Defenders of Rillanon Profession: W/Mo	Thought it was 25% armor penetration.

Jul 01, 2005, 03:29 PM // 15:29	#9
GranDeWun Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005	The problem is how it stacks - does it work like 1) Add all pen %, then apply to armor, or 2) Apply each pen % in sequence (which order wouldn't matter) Chances are it's (2). (1) would allow some awesome damage.

Jul 01, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37	#10
JoDiamonds Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New England	The general way that armor penatration works is by reducing enemy armor. If you have 20% armor penatration against an enemy with 100 armor, your attack treats it as if the enemy as -20 armor, 80. Sundering weapons are really hard to calculate, because they don't always fire off. I'm actually guessing that all armor penatration is summed up and done in one fell swoop, because that would be easier to program

Jul 01, 2005, 05:18 PM // 17:18	#11
Blackace Guest	There are two types of Armor Penetration: Base AP and Added AP. Base AP just lists the AP, Added AP is the +AP% ones you see. Base AP+Base AP doesnt work:the higher bonus overrides the lower. So an AP of lets say 10% from Strength would get cancelled out by Penetrating Blow's 20% AP. Added AP+Added AP stacks, and Added AP+Base AP stacks: in a nuthsell any skill that says +AP% like Judge's Insight will tack on to anything else. So Penetrating Blow+Judge's Insight stacks along with any other +AP% skill. For any other base AP the first rule is applied.